20 Gallon Long Amazon Biotope

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Re: 20 Gallon Long Amazon Biotope

Post by Kresnahw22 » Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:16 pm

Buddy08 wrote:i have 2 canister filters for sale krenshaw if you want, theyre super quiet and kept my cichlid tank crystal clear. One is a rena x1 and the other is the x2 with spray bar or jets. let me know if youre interested and ill get you a price for both
thank you for the offer but the aqueon 55 I got running keeps it crystal clear, which i actually don't want, I'm trying to get a blackwater effect I've been adding oak leaves and sphagnum moss to lower ph and tannins to give it almost a tea color effect. But like I said thank you for the offer though.

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Re: 20 Gallon Long Amazon Biotope

Post by bluwtr » Tue Nov 29, 2011 3:11 pm

I know in college we ran an experiment and we needed to "tan" the water. We actually ordered tannin in a bottle. I have no idea where we got it from, but I'm sure an internet search would get you what you need. Would sure speed the process.

HTH and tank is looking great.
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Re: 20 Gallon Long Amazon Biotope

Post by Kresnahw22 » Tue Nov 29, 2011 3:21 pm

bluwtr wrote:I know in college we ran an experiment and we needed to "tan" the water. We actually ordered tannin in a bottle. I have no idea where we got it from, but I'm sure an internet search would get you what you need. Would sure speed the process.

HTH and tank is looking great.
I know of a product which is called blackwater extract. Its basically liquidized peat, they say it can be harmful to livestock plus its expensive for the amount I need for my 55 when oak leaves are free and does the same thing. Plus oak and Sphagnum add it slowly allowing fish to adjust where the blackwater drops it fast. It did help and thank you for staying that. I also gotta post new pics the plants are sending new growth.

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Re: 20 Gallon Long Amazon Biotope

Post by Kresnahw22 » Tue Nov 29, 2011 3:22 pm

As in drop I mean the Ph.

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Re: 20 Gallon Long Amazon Biotope

Post by bluwtr » Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:42 pm

Sure, no problem. I will say however, that the experiment we ran was on prey capture ability of largemouth bass in turbid water--fancy name for "can bass still eat in crappy water"! We were trying to determine if a bass can hunt prey as effectively in water clouded by construction or clear cutting induced runoff as in natural water. The tank was approximately 200 gallons and we added the tannin in one dose, then added the fish. The fish could have cared less to be honest. Like I said though, that was in '96 so I have no damn idea which product we used or how much it cost. Hell, I'm surprised I remember that much!!!
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Re: 20 Gallon Long Amazon Biotope

Post by Kresnahw22 » Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:58 pm

bluwtr wrote:Sure, no problem. I will say however, that the experiment we ran was on prey capture ability of largemouth bass in turbid water--fancy name for "can bass still eat in crappy water"! We were trying to determine if a bass can hunt prey as effectively in water clouded by construction or clear cutting induced runoff as in natural water. The tank was approximately 200 gallons and we added the tannin in one dose, then added the fish. The fish could have cared less to be honest. Like I said though, that was in '96 so I have no damn idea which product we used or how much it cost. Hell, I'm surprised I remember that much!!!
Lol that's a hilarious story. Lol Sphagnum / oak leaves has best results for me.

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Re: 20 Gallon Long Amazon Biotope

Post by Amphiprion » Thu Dec 01, 2011 12:37 pm

I had wanted to imitate blackwater habitats in some of the planted systems I had before, but was unable to. They all had CO2 supplementation (compressed, not yeast-powered) and the tannic acids would completely skew pH results, which throws off the measured CO2 concentration. I always ran carbon in my planted systems for a variety of reasons, too, so that would've also defeated the purpose.
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Re: 20 Gallon Long Amazon Biotope

Post by Kresnahw22 » Thu Dec 01, 2011 1:04 pm

Amphiprion wrote:I had wanted to imitate blackwater habitats in some of the planted systems I had before, but was unable to. They all had CO2 supplementation (compressed, not yeast-powered) and the tannic acids would completely skew pH results, which throws off the measured CO2 concentration. I always ran carbon in my planted systems for a variety of reasons, too, so that would've also defeated the purpose.
I just stooped using activated carbon and I'm gonna see if it helps out. The Species of fish I Have already enjoy low 6.4-6.8 Ph

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Re: 20 Gallon Long Amazon Biotope

Post by Amphiprion » Thu Dec 01, 2011 1:22 pm

If all else fails, try a bit more CO2 supplementation. Most fish can handle a good amount of it and the plants will certainly appreciate it. Out of the tap, my pH is about 6.8 and closer to 7.0 when aerated. It is extremely soft, though, so it makes it very easy to tip pH in either direction. Not sure if yours gives you the same problem, but just be cautious about it.
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Re: 20 Gallon Long Amazon Biotope

Post by Kresnahw22 » Thu Dec 01, 2011 5:20 pm

Amphiprion wrote:If all else fails, try a bit more CO2 supplementation. Most fish can handle a good amount of it and the plants will certainly appreciate it. Out of the tap, my pH is about 6.8 and closer to 7.0 when aerated. It is extremely soft, though, so it makes it very easy to tip pH in either direction. Not sure if yours gives you the same problem, but just be cautious about it.
I actually gotta start doing that again lol. My water sounds close to yours also.

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Re: 20 Gallon Long Amazon Biotope

Post by Kresnahw22 » Fri Dec 09, 2011 10:58 am

Ok the oak leaves and Sphagnum moss has tannin the water up nicely. But its gotten cloudy also in this process I believe its a bacteria bloom from the leaves. Gonna do a water change today and see if it helps gonna post some updated pics also.

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